Keith -- Bummer about the Wiesenthal Center, but it's exactly the kind of *stupid* thing that they tend to do. I was a member for a while, until I noticed that they were off the deep end -- they put a lot of effort into high profile publicity stunts and imo worthless activities, without doing anything in the here and now to actually *help* anyone. On the other hand, I find myself ambivalent about the notion of "I'll do what I want with my server". Leaving aside the bogus technical side of that argument (and the accompanying opportunism), I find the notion appealing -- kind of like the signs reading "we reserve the right to refuse service" that I remember seeing in small businesses at one time. On the other hand, that notion easily leads to (harmful) discrimination in one direction and to pressure campaigns on ISPs (like the Wiesenthal Center's, but worse) in another. (Imagine if there were a way to "picket" a web page....) Still, it feels to me kind of like newspapers and advertising: the fact that newspapers accept advertising doesn't mean that they have to accept all ads they're offered; and they can decline ads on whatever basis they want. Seems to me that an ISP ought to have the same freedom, since from this (possibly warped) perspective, the primary difference between the ISP and the newspaper is that there are a *lot* more ISPs than there are newspapers -- and it's a lot easier to start a new ISP than it is to start a new newspaper. If there were some government involved in forcing ISPs not to provide services to groups connected with hate speech, then I'd agree with the 1st Amendment argument. (ing is too good for mother-ers like that!) If ISPs ran so strongly to oligopoly that they required government regulation, I'd expect that regulation to embed 1st Amendment guarantees in those regulations. But as long as there's a vibrant open marketplace in the ISP world, I'd just as soon let ISPs be as nearly autonomous as possible. If I don't want to read hate speech, I'll stay away from obnoxious web pages; if I don't want to support an ISP whose policies I dislike, I'll patronize the ISP down the virtual street instead. -- ed